Heh heh! That would be something to be a new engineer at a carmaker, and you're assigned to do nothing but desing the cupholder (I always want to pronounce that "cufolder" - kind of like "Beethoven"). Anyway - reminds me of a boss I had at an aerospace company - he and another engineer spent the early part of their careers designing the fecal bags for one of the space programs (don't remember which one). It gave them a really bad attitude, and at the company Christmas party that year, the two of them each took a fecal bag and made a flower out of it and wore them as boutonnieres. He said they got some strange looks at the party - people did not know what they were or what to make of their fashion accessory. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')