emissions trouble

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by wastedtallent, Nov 27, 2006.

  1. I have a 94 sc2 and it has failed the massachusettes emmission test. I've
    replace with new the ox sencor and the catalitic converter, it still
    failed, any suggestions??
     
    wastedtallent, Nov 27, 2006
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    SnoMan Guest

    Failing how?? What are readings?
     
    SnoMan, Nov 27, 2006
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  3. it is reading a high hydrocarbons i don't have thenumbers here but will get
    them when i get back home.
     
    wastedtallent, Nov 27, 2006
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    Doug Miller Guest

    Hydrocarbons in the exhaust means unburned gasoline. That, in turn, usually
    means an ignition problem of some sort. Start with the simplest thing: have
    you replaced the spark plugs, or at least checked them?
     
    Doug Miller, Nov 27, 2006
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    SMS Guest

    You really need to take it to a mechanic that has an exhaust gas
    analyzer and the proper diagnostic equipment in order to troubleshoot
    this. You'll spend a fortune replacing parts that don't need replacing,
    for something that will most likely be something minor like a
    disconnected hose or wire.

    Not sure if MA has a "gross polluter" designation, but be careful. In
    California, if you try to "fix" your emissions problems and make it
    worse you can end up as a gross polluter and then you're really in for a
    lot of hassle. What would cost you a couple of hundred dollars in
    repairs, can end up costing upwards of a thousand dollars.
     
    SMS, Nov 28, 2006
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  6. wastedtallent

    SnoMan Guest


    It can also be from low compression and/or oil consumption too. I
    would suggest getting several bottle of dry gas or gas antifreeze and
    adding it to tank (oxygenates fuel) and then run engine hard for a bit
    and "clean" it out a bit and then take it for a emissions check.
     
    SnoMan, Nov 28, 2006
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    BläBlä Guest

    Sounds like he already took it to a mechanic. Now he needs to take it to
    a technician.
     
    BläBlä, Nov 29, 2006
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  8. Move out of the People's Republic of Taxachusetts, to some place where
    they still let you drive whatever car you want.
     
    Sherlock Holmes, Nov 29, 2006
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    wavy Guest

    Yes, I had the same result when the coolant temperature sensor went
    bad.
    Replacing it turned my "Fail" into a "Pass".
    (I've been through this with both my 94 and 95 SC2 and I've seen this
    solve two similar problems on this board.)
    It also made the engine idle at a more reasonable RPM.
    The sensor resistance was ridiculously high - something like 5 Megohms.
    It should have been about 50K ohms at freezing, 100 ohms at 100 degrees
    (something like that, anyway)
    It caused the engine to think it was running much cooler than it
    actually was - apparently running rich to "catch up".
    (Although I am aware that a LEAN mixture raises exhaust gas
    temperature)

    You are definately running too "rich" it the test shows excess
    hydrocarbon emmissions.

    If this isnt the problem, you've got an injector problem - but I'd bet
    the sensor is your culprit. They should be available for less than
    $10. You'll loose coolant in the procedure, so drain it down first.
    -WaV
     
    wavy, Nov 29, 2006
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    Doug Miller Guest

    Not so fast there... all it takes is one spark plug firing only intermittently
    to put a pretty fair amount of unburned gasoline (hydrocarbons) in the
    exhaust. There are a number of other things that will cause that symptom, too,
    and to say that if it's not 'A' then it must be 'B' is simply incorrect.
     
    Doug Miller, Nov 29, 2006
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    wavy Guest

    While true - I'd be complaining loudly if I had a miss-fire on a little
    4 cylinder 1.9 liter engine!
    (I own and maintain two SC2 Saturns. Miss-firing is very hard to not
    notice.)
    The culpability of the coolant temperature sensor in this vehicle is
    legendary.
    (Been there. Done that. Not making ANY of this up!)

    'If not A and B (replacement of O2 sensor and Catalytic converter),
    then probably C and if not - possibly D"
    My assumption is based on the original poster's information.
    When *I* replaced *my* coolant temperature sensor *I* was 100% correct.
    I've gone through the same thing twice with the same model vehicle.
    Rebuttal?
    -WaV


     
    wavy, Nov 29, 2006
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    Doug Miller Guest

    Didn't say you were. I'm just taking issue with your statement that if it's
    not the CTS, then it "must" be an injector problem.

    That simply is not true -- there are other problems that can cause the same
    symptom. I cited a bad spark plug as a simple example; that was not meant to
    be a complete list of possibilities.
     
    Doug Miller, Nov 29, 2006
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