latest SATURN HORROR STORY !!!

*shrug*. My family does it. Both of them. We smoke test them
occasionally too, though generally because of my mom's cooking

Me neither. There's practically no current draw, and in any case,
virtually ever smoke detector made in the last 25 years will beep if the
battery is low.

Which is why plug in / battery backup types lost favor ages ago.
Batteries got better, electric service still gets wiped out in a fire.

Battery smoke detectors generally run until they're burnt up. Plenty of
stories from my dad (ex NYFD) about how they'd STILL be beeping away
even though the entire home's on fire. They'll run until they're melted
into a pile of plastic residue.

Home fire sprinklers are eventually comming too. There's no way around
it - fire sprinklers have proven time and time again to save lives,
which is why they're required just about everywhere (IIRC, even so
called 'fireproof' buildings in NYC must have them now)

Oh, what as the topic? Mrfact being full of it? This is news?

 

I'm new to this group but..... is this a Saturn Newsgroup or is it a MrFact
Newsgroup....?? This is better'n than the comic section of the newspaper!
lol

 

Hardwiring detectors is standard practice in new construction and commercial
buildings. Of course what Michael Kormann did is not permitted by the
electrical code, far too dangerous. And as another poster pointed out, if
there is an electrical fire, and it is caused by violations of the
electrical code, good luck collecting on your insurance.

 

Gee! I guess all the splices in my walls for permanent light fixtures
put in by the electricial who wired my house, are temporary and
dangerous. I think a good splice is done with metal ferules and then
isolated with plastic tubing- then the whole thing wrapped with
electrical tape. Maybe your definition of "splices" is different than
mine.

 

Where would you hardwire a smoke detector into- YOUR PLUMBING?

 

Who is Marx404 and why is he so in love with rip-off companies like Saturn?

 

Hey cool I just tried out a feature on my newsreader that I've never
used before. If it works like I think it should I wont be seeing anymore
of mistercrap's post on my reader for a good long while.
He was funny at first for being so unbelievably ignorant but man that
got old real fast. Its time to stomp that troll back down under the
bridge and march on for more relevant and intelligent post.

 

If there's an electrical fire, period. If it was caused by the
violations, it's a no brainer - you're SOL. Even if it wasn't, than
you're still going to have a hard time. Realistically, the ins co
simply has to prove you've got a dangerous electrical system, and
they're off the hook.

Oh course, if it was your bad wiring in an apartment, guess who pays for
everyone else's dammage...

 

Connections for light fixtures are done inside a junction box, using wire
nuts. I guarantee that no licensed electrician is going to risk his license
by putting splices in walls!

Splicing wires inside walls is not done. If conduit is used, splices inside
conduit are not done because they are not reliable when pulling wire. If
Romex is used then splices are not allowed (except at junction boxes).

Electrical tape is NEVER used. When splicing is necessary, heat shrink
tubing is placed over one wire, then the wires are twisted together with a
butt splice, the wires are soldered, any sharp edges are filed down, and
then the heat shrinkable tubing is slid over the wires and shrunken with a
heat gun. This is the proper method when installing radios and alarms in
vehicles.

 

Yeh well post this one:
My wife purchased a Subaru Forrester last year. A friend saw the vehicle
fell in love with it, and purchases a Forrester the next week. On the
way home from the dealer, the engine blew.

Also, post this. My new Honda Civic came from the factory with a dented
fender, I didn't realize this till I took it home. The Dealer at first
tried to blame me.


Cars are just the shit...
Oh PS, my daughers new Ion is great. I think I made a mistake with the
Honda...

 

Hardwired smoke detectors are pretty standard nowadays.

Mine works fine, so I left it alone but added extra smoke detectors
as part of my alarm system. The whole alarm system (and thus the
smoke detectors) is AC powered with battery backup and phone dialout
which theoretically makes it more reliable than the original
hardwired or a battery powered unit because
1) The battery is kept charged by AC
2) There is now one on every floor
3) The alarm siren is loud enough to wake the dead
4) It can alert me and the monitoring company if no one is home

If misterfact were smarter, he could just use a low voltage
DC-powered smoke detector that charges a battery (available CHEAP
through any alarm supplier) and no one could give him any shit about
running whatever wire he likes because it's low voltage DC instead of
line voltage AC.

-DanD