Losing oil?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Canaan Apollyon, Dec 8, 2003.

  1. I've had an SL1 (2000) for about 3 months now and I've been monitoring the
    oil level in it and i have a concern.

    I seem to be losing about Half a quart every few weeks and I'm wondering
    where. I've change the oil filter a few times and I've made sure to
    tighten it properly. I hand tighten then take a strap wrench and tighten it
    with the wrench 3/16 ths of turn. I see no leak from the motor. I've used
    a piece of cardboard underneath the motor overnight to see if any oil leaks
    and I see no spots. I'm not burning any oil and there is no carbon in the
    muffler pipe. I do some hiway driving and I drive quite fast usually
    around 135 KM/hr steady speed for about 5 hours every weekend. Most of week
    driving is city driving.


    Well Any ideas? Any concerns?
     
    Canaan Apollyon, Dec 8, 2003
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  2. Canaan Apollyon

    BANDIT2941 Guest

    I'm not burning any oil

    You might want to reconsider that statement.......

    Go do some searching at groups.google.com......................
     
    BANDIT2941, Dec 8, 2003
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  3. Canaan Apollyon

    Lane Guest

    It's burning oil. You can burn a LOT before you see any indication as far
    as smoke or residue. It's not usually an indication of impending doom.
    Just keep an eye on the level and add when it needs it. Saturn even
    publishes a spec on how much oil consumption is considered normal (but I
    don't know what it is offhand).

    Lane [ l a n e @ p a i r . c o m ]
     
    Lane, Dec 8, 2003
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  4. Canaan Apollyon

    Steve Guest

    It isn't going into the coolant by any chance, is it? If it is, you
    might have the infamous Saturn bad engine head problem....
     
    Steve, Dec 8, 2003
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  5. pull you plug wires and see if you leaking oil out of the "cam-valve
    cover" into the little spark plug hole(s) in the head.. then you might
    want to pull your plugs and see how burnt (black) they are, thats
    another indication of oil consumption (depending on miles of course, be
    reasonable) questions,
     
    Bryan Bottorff, Dec 9, 2003
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  6. Canaan Apollyon

    NewsGroupie Guest

    I had the same problem ('99 SL1 SOHC) with my car. I was running 5W-30 as
    Saturn (and GM consequently) suggest and going through the same amount if
    not more. I changed the PCV valve, cleaned out the gummed up throttle body,
    and switched to 10W-30 oil instead. Since then, I haven't had any problems.
     
    NewsGroupie, Dec 10, 2003
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  7. Canaan Apollyon

    Woobie Guest

    Welcome to the wonderful world of Saturn, the only car that eats a quart of
    oil every 500-1000 miles. I have 3 quarts of oil in my trunk. I thinking of
    cutting to the quick and running diesel.
    Joe
     
    Woobie, Dec 21, 2003
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  8. Canaan Apollyon

    Steve S. Guest

    Hang on guys...

    - cylinder head cracks were only a problem on SL1's from 1994-1996.
    2001's don't have this problem.
    - leaking oil from the valve cover into the spark plug wells will fill
    the well with oil and that's about it - no oil consumption. Also the
    newer valve covers (2000's-up) were far less likely to leak here.
    - oil consumption (burning oil) was improved dramatically in the 1999
    engine redesign (pistons, rings, heads, etc.). 2001's are typically
    not oil burners (at least not as bad as pre-99).

    We own two 2000's. My SL2 with 200,000 (very hard) kms now burns
    about 1 liter (quart) per 4500 kms. My wife's SW2 with 70,000 kms
    burn about 1/4 of a liter (quart) per 5000 kms (oil change interval).

    Oil viscosity does help. For my SL2 the numbers above are for 10w30,
    5w30 I burn 1 liter per 3500 kms (I just switched to 5w30 for the
    winter 3 weeks ago and just added a liter at 3500 kms). When towing
    the 2000 lbs camper (yes with the SL2) and running Delvac 1300S 15w40
    it burns about 1 liter per 4000 kms. Not towing with the Delvac it
    burns about 1/2 a liter per 4000 kms (I don't typically run the thick
    oil unless towing a lot though).

    For a 2001, unless the oil hasn't been changed regularly or the car
    sees lots of gridlock or idling I wouldn't expect you'd have to add
    any oil between changes until there were lots of miles on the car
    (well over 100,000 miles or 160,000 kms).

    To answer your question - I would say you are burning the oil. How or
    why is the next question. Are you running a Saturn PCV valve?
    Aftermarket's are known to suck oil through them. Do you change the
    oil regularly (I'd recommend every 5000 km or 3000 miles)? Idle alot?

    Try a 10w30 oil if the temperatures are above 20°F or -7°C. In hotter
    weather you can run a 10w40 or even get away with 15w40.
     
    Steve S., Dec 23, 2003
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  9. Canaan Apollyon

    Matt O'Toole Guest

    Nope, you forgot Alfa Romeo -- the only carmaker who says nothing's amiss unless
    oil consumption exceeds one quart per 500 miles.

    Matt O.
     
    Matt O'Toole, Dec 31, 2003
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