LW300 Oil change

Discussion in 'Saturn L-series' started by Oppie, May 15, 2004.

  1. Oppie

    Oppie Guest

    I did my first oil change on the '01 LW300. (3L) It has been 5200 miles
    since I bought the car with 40K on it from Saturn. The Change Oil Soon lamp
    just started to flash.

    Found I needed a new tool. The oil plug is removed with a Torx T40 wrench. I
    had one but it sheared right off when I tried to remove the plug. Got a new
    one from Sears that attaches to a 3/8" breaker bar. The Oil plug is steel
    and has an O-ring in a groove under the head. Took a bit of coaxing to
    remove it but it came off easy after that.

    Forgot how fast 5W30 oil drains when hot. Was trying to hold onto the plug
    while slowly removing it to keep from dropping it. didn't work, oil came
    gushing out and I dropped the plug into the catch basin. Was glad I had a
    sheet of cardboard on the ground to catch the minor spill. Fished the oil
    plug out of the basin with a magnet.

    When the oil finished draining, cleaned off the mating surfaces and
    reinstalled the drain plug.

    The owner's manual said that the oil filter is removed with a 17mm wrench.
    Not even close. I did notice a square recess in the end of the cover and
    found that a 3/8" ratchet fits it nicely. Since space was tight, I used the
    ratchet rather than a breaker bar but did need the added assist of a 1 foot
    length of pipe over the end of the ratchet. The cover has an O-ring and once
    the cover is partially removed, oil drains out nicely. The cover has a
    couple of flats in the threaded section and rotating the cover to get the
    flat facing down assists draining. Nice design in that the body of the oil
    filter has a bulge that forces the oil to drip from that point rather than
    running down the engine block.

    The Fram CH8806 cartridge comes with a replacement O-ring for the filter
    cover. (surprising not with a replacement seal ring for the oil plug)
    Torque back on cover and plug. Fill with 5 quarts of API 10W30 for summer
    driving, check for leaks and all done. Now go to the fridge for a cold
    one...

    Oppie
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    Oppie, May 15, 2004
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  2. Oppie

    Blah blah Guest

    I did my first oil change on the '01 LW300. (3L) It has been 5200 miles
    Yup someone thought it would be brilliant to take the age old hex head
    design for drain plugs and come up with something far far inferior for
    servicing. I think the use of a torx was an attempt to prevent over
    tighting of the drain plug. Not something that was really needed since
    its a thick aluminum pan. Btw you sure it was a t40 and not a t45? A t-
    40 would fit but might risk gumming up the works.
    Yeah keep in mind that the 3.0's and the 3.5's do not have that nub
    that continues past the threads (forget what thats called). So starting
    it and holding it in place before jerking it away takes skills. If they
    were GM engines they most likely would have that nub. Cant recall a GM
    engine not having that.
    The owners manual said that??? Wow thats a typo. Its actually a 24mm.
    Most 3.0's do have a provision for a 3/8's ratchet, earlier ones dont
    seem to.

    What? You mean you didnt get oil all over yourself? How did you do that
    the first time and.... :) Oh you had the front of the car jacked up so
    it was tipped back... Yeah stick that on a lift where its nice and level
    and get ready for an oil shower. Oh and watch out for that exhaust, if
    that engines been running and up to temp that oil filter housing gets
    hotter than...

    Oil drain plugs seldom need the seal replaced so why change now? The
    3.0 filters come with a new seal because I think the exhaust can bake
    the old one dry if it is used to many times. For the average owner that
    does their own oil changes, having to hassle with one of these engines a
    few times a year seems acceptable but when you have to do them daily you
    wonder wtf where they thinking.
     
    Blah blah, May 16, 2004
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  3. Oppie

    Oppie Guest

    I have thought about drilling a hole through the bottom of the casing and
    tapping in a drain plug...
    Shades of filter changes in other cars where the pre-emptive strike was to
    punch a hole in the (spin on) oil filter cartridge an allow the oil to drain
    out before removing the filter. My old Plymouth would leak oil down the
    front of the engine and make a general mess when removing the filter without
    draining it first.

    Still, with the front wheels on a pair of ramps and the rear on the ground,
    it was very clean and simple.

    Next week, time permitting, I want to rotate the tires, inspect the brakes
    and suspension. Haven't found any grease fittings yet. Got to take a closer
    look.

    Oppie


    |
    | > Since space was tight, I used the
    | > ratchet rather than a breaker bar but did need the added assist of a 1
    foot
    | > length of pipe over the end of the ratchet. The cover has an O-ring and
    once
    | > the cover is partially removed, oil drains out nicely. The cover has a
    | > couple of flats in the threaded section and rotating the cover to get
    the
    | > flat facing down assists draining. Nice design in that the body of the
    oil
    | > filter has a bulge that forces the oil to drip from that point rather
    than
    | > running down the engine block.
    |
    | What? You mean you didnt get oil all over yourself? How did you do that
    | the first time and.... :) Oh you had the front of the car jacked up so
    | it was tipped back... Yeah stick that on a lift where its nice and level
    | and get ready for an oil shower. Oh and watch out for that exhaust, if
    | that engines been running and up to temp that oil filter housing gets
    | hotter than...
    |
     
    Oppie, May 17, 2004
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  4. Someone challenged the engineers to make the oil more difficult to change
    than on the S series.
     
    Steven M. Scharf, May 17, 2004
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  5. Oppie

    Oppie Guest

    Say what you will but for me the all time sucky engineering (and I AM an
    engineer) was the Chevy Monza 8 cyl back in the late 70's. I was working in
    a shop on weekends and a monza came in for a tune up and oil change.
    Couldn't get to the rear spark plug. It was worse than on most of the big
    engines that were shoe-horned into tight engine compartments. Finally one of
    the older and more experienced mechanics came over after watching for a
    while and smiling. He cut a hole through the fender well which I found out
    later was GM's recommended service fix.

    My faith is in techs and engineers that came from the trenches rather than
    right out of school. There is no education like having to fix other peoples
    problems and having the power to change things.

    Oppie
     
    Oppie, May 17, 2004
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  6. Oppie

    Blah blah Guest

    The 70's was nothing but sucky engineering... I just think that by now
    they could done a better job than they did on the 3.0 but they fell way
    short. These are some of the rules I use to judge modern engine: If you
    cant touch all the plugs or touch the fuel injectors without removing
    the intake, its a bad design. The 3.0 fails in those two areas and a lot
    more areas as well. I'm not saying its not reliable, just poor in the
    servicable department. Thats what happens when one outsources engines.
    The engine maker doesnt take responsibility, its not their logo on the
    nose of the car.
     
    Blah blah, May 17, 2004
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  7. Oppie

    Oppie Guest

    All points well taken. I keep telling myself that I just have to develop new
    troubleshooting skills. No more is it easy to pull a plug wire to do a
    cylinder balance test by seeing how the RPMs drop. Even to pull a plug and
    check the insulator color or to smell for gas is not an option. I'm still
    looking at OBD2 tools and if it is worth getting the extended codes. The
    'old ways' are definitely done.

    Earlier than the Monza snafu, I remember that on many cars of the 60's
    through 80's where they were said to 'run-on' or diesel when the key was
    turned off. Almost the entire industry had their heads stuck up their
    posteriors on that one.
    I had a '69 VW bug that would run for a minute when the engine was turned
    off hot. It would chug along and sometimes run a few turns backwards spewing
    the most obnoxious fumes. Easy fix was to put it in gear and stall the
    engine. The alleged gurus of the time said it was carbon deposits in the
    combustion chambers, an engine in need of a tune-up or that a higher octane
    fuel was needed. BS!

    I had a revelation when marveling over the engine run-on, I pulled off the
    cable from the ignition coil and the engine quit immediately. Hmmm... Then I
    started to trace out the electrical system. The short answer was that a very
    poor electrical circuit was made between the battery, through the alternator
    idiot lamp (through the alternator field relay in the case of the VW
    generator though something similar with alternators) and to the ignition
    coil + terminal. This electrical path caused the Alternator lamp to come on
    when the ignition was turned off and the current flow was enough to make a
    poor spark. The 'FIX' was to add a 10 cent diode in series with the idiot
    lamp such that the lamp came on when the ignition was on and the engine not
    started. When the engine was running and turned off now, the idiot lamp
    stayed off and the engine quit immediately.

    This worked on EVERY car that I did this on. Showed it to several service
    shops and they just thought I was a smart ass kid and didn't take it
    seriously (was 18 at the time). Even Detroit in their madness put throttle
    cutoff positioners on many cars. The solenoids were wired to the ignition
    circuit... the same one that was weakly energized still when the ignition
    was shut off. How brain dead was that?

    Seems that in those days the mechanical guys ruled the design and the
    electronic / electrical designers got almost an afterthought. Now that the
    cars are so heavily integrated with computers and all manner of fancy
    electronics, I hope that the electrical engineers are getting more respect.

    Oh well, time for dinner - Later
    Oppie
     
    Oppie, May 17, 2004
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  8. Oppie

    Glomis Guest

    Gee...I'm glad you're on our side. :)

    Oppie wrote:
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    Glomis, May 17, 2004
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